Tuesday, June 28, 2011

Congregationalism Continued...

Great post further examining the role of congregational government.

Responding to Satanic Attacks on My Post about Satanic Congregationalism


 I must admit I'm amazed how those that attend churches that embrace congregationalism get very ruffled at the thought that it is not the best form of church government. Recently I was discussing this with a good friend (no one from Kingston, just to be clear) and he quickly said, "but scripture says we are to have congregational government." At first, I was offended by the notion that he thought I had embraced a practice that was against scripture. Then after realizing that was just my personal pride and he was simply reacting to what he thought was a Biblical teaching (but is not), I simply challenged him to find it in scripture. He quickly accepted the challenge. Since then he hasn't found any concrete evidence because there is none. What there is however, is a extensive amount of evidence of an Elder ran church.

A church ran by a plurality of Elders. Meaning several. The amount will vary from church to church based primarily on its size. The reason for a plurality is obvious, a one man show is never a good idea. (Proverbs 11:14) But the most common argument against an Elder ran church is, "what if the Elder board goes haywire and ruins the church." I laugh at this assertion for several reasons. I've seen far more church implode over voting and in my own personal experience have never seen an Elder led church implode. I'm not naive, I'm sure it happens in Elder ran churches as well. My point is neither model is exempt from bad leadership, bad doctrine or non-spiritual clicks getting together and making ungodly decisions. Churches are made up of ummmm... people. And guess what, people are flawed. Even redeemed ones. Then you throw in the wolves in sheep's clothing and you have a recipe for church problems.

Reasons why congregational government is a bad idea:
1. It's not scriptural. This is a great place to start, with the Bible. I heard a message by Pastor Steven Furtick (Elevation Church) a while ago where he said, every time we see the people vote in scripture things turn really bad. Moses and the children of Israel in the wilderness... that vote backfired. Jesus & Barabas... poor choice there. You get the idea. Let's stick to what scripture actually says, not what congregationalists want it to say. Starting with Titus 1 is good.

2. It creates dissension. I remember growing up and feeling tension at business meetings over votes on silly things such as whether or not we were having VBS for the coming year (no joke) and whether or not we were going to remodel the church kitchen and better yet what color the cabinets would be for the remodel. Ugh.. I still to this day hate church business meetings. People take sides and inevitably get hurt when their "golden child idea" is shot down. Business meetings and congregational government do nothing to build unity in the church.

3. Public opinion is dangerous and in church is no exception. Before anyone gets worked up about how the United States is a democracy of public opinion let me remind you lest you forget your high school government class that we are a democratic republic. In other words we elect representatives to do our work for us in votes. This is wise on a number of levels. Following that logically, congregationalists will say, "yes and we elect deacons." Getting off the point that congregational churches often vote about significant things. And public opinion can in most cases (99.9% of the time) be swayed by the person who is 1) the most eloquent speaker 2) has the most influence for whatever reason. One or two strong willed and outspoken individuals can rule the roost. I've witnessed it over and over again as have hundreds of other congregations. Often those people calling the shots are not spiritual and are more interested in their way and control. Dangerous. Very dangerous.

4. It assumes that the congregation has enough information to make an informed decision. Again, this comes from personal experience that often those voting don't know all the facts. They know what they've been told in the business meeting (which is usually a small snapshot of the situation) and by their friend sitting next to them. I saw a lady years ago that brought her elderly husband and would elbow him on when to vote. Nice. It's not uncommon. It's dangerous and yes, Satan uses this to his advantage.

Often people will be presented with important matters of business having never prayed about the issue at hand. That's a recipe for disaster. Then they wonder why God didn't bless our expansion program! DUH! You left God out of it.

How about this, godly (not perfect), gifted, humble, teachable, capable, caring leaders, praying together over decisions that effect the church and making the decisions based on what is best for the people, not what's popular in the pews. That's the way God designed it.

5. There is no benefit to congregationalism. None at all. Think there is? Name it? That the people have a voice? So we're about satisfying someone's feelings that they need to vote to feel a part? How about we teach our people that it's not about them, it's not about us, it's about Jesus Christ. Go ahead, I'm waiting on another benefit. Trust me, I've thought this through, there isn't one. If you're thinking to protect the church/congregation, refer to paragraph above that begins, "A church ran by a plurality of Elders. "

So, quick review of pro's and con's:

Con's: Creates dissension, gives people false sense of security, rests on the lures of public opinion, is not scriptural, puts an undue and unnecessary burden on the congregation and one that God did not design nor intend.

Pro's: None

Still for congregationalism?

Congregationalism is a big reason why the church is dying on the vine today. Non-spiritually minded people making godless decisions and running off godly men (often those in a church that are godly will not fight and will leave, creating a bigger problem). Congregationalism from Satan? Maybe James MacDonald isn't that far off.

Ten Principles for Church Song (Part 1)

Good article regarding song selection in worship. I wonder about those that advocate only hymns in heaven... do you think they'll be surprised when the heavenly chorus of angels are singing non-hymns? I wonder if they'll complain to the director?

Ten Principles for Church Song (Part 1)

One point the article doesn't mention that I think needs noted in today's worship music culture. Let's focus on songs that lift up the name of Jesus and exalt him, not ourselves. If the song has "I" and "me" in it repeatedly and not within the context of submission or surrender we should be cautious. Worship that glorifies man but is cloaked in spiritual phrases or mentioning God has invaded the church and is not worship God gets fired up about, so guard against it!

Monday, June 27, 2011

Blessed Time

We had a great time at Care Group at the Harts last night, fellowship, food, horseshoes, basketball and threw softball with the girls.  Great fun!!






Friday, June 24, 2011

Thursday, June 23, 2011

Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Father's Day

Great art I received from Allie for father's day!


Batman the Ride!

Looking forward to riding Batman the Ride, Mr. Freeze and The Boss at Six Flags St. Louis!


Click here to check out my roller coaster rankings.  I'm looking forward to adding the Six Flags coasters to the list.
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What does Acts 6 say about congregational government?

Congregationalists (those that believe that the church should vote on everything) often argue against Elders (the Biblical model of church government - more on that later) by pointing to Acts 6, specifically verses 2-6.


Here's what James MacDonald has to say in response to those verses...

"...In the matter of Acts 6 we have Elders delegating decision making to people with in the church. Still the decision to have deacons, what their qualifications would be and the final approval of those the congregation brought forward (implied) all rested with the Elders. This is a wonderful model isn’t it. At Harvest we frequently speak of congregational accountability. We invite the church to submit names of those they believe would serve well as elders and we communicate direction to the congregation and seek their input. None of those things come close to what I am refuting as congregational government. Thanks for your input, more than two cents for sure. I was believing that those in a moderated form of government where the congregation participates but does not rule or have final authority would understand my critique was not of them. Thanks for encouraging me to qualify, James"

I completely agree with James.   Here is a great article about church government titled Congregational Government is from Satan  before you get to worked up by the title consider that it is somewhat tongue in cheek although there is an ounce of truth to it.


Here are the primary references supporting plurality of Elders:  I Peter 5, Titus 2, I Corinthians, Acts 20:28, I Timothy 3:1-8 & 11,  Acts 14:23, I Timothy 5:17.


An excerpt from DesiringGod.org from a message from John Piper regarding reasons to consider bishop/overseer as equivalent to elder in the New Testament Church...

Bishop/OverseerFour reasons to consider bishop/overseer as equivalent to elder in the New Testament church:
  1. Compare Titus 1:5 with 1:7 where bishop/overseer and elder are apparently interchangeable terms.
  1. In Acts 20 Paul calls the "elders" to come down from Ephesus. Then he says to them in verse 28 that God has made them "overseers/bishops" among the flock. So the elders are the bishops/overseers in Ephesus
  1. In 1 Timothy 3:1 Paul says, "If any one aspires to the office of bishop/overseer, he desires a noble task." Then he gives the qualifications for the overseer/bishop in verses 2–7. Unlike the deacons, the overseer must be "able to teach" (v. 2) and in v. 5 he is said to be one whose management of his own household fits him to care for God's church. These two functions are ascribed to elders in 1 Timothy 5:17—teaching and governing. So it is very likely that in Paul's mind the bishops/overseers of 1 Timothy 3:1–7 are the same as the elders of 5:17.
  1. In Philippians 1:1 Paul writes "to all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the bishops/overseers and deacons." These then seem to be the two offices of the church just as in 1 Timothy 3:1–13. But Paul appointed elders in all the churches (Acts 14:23) and so it is very likely that the elders of the church at Philippi were the bishops/overseers referred to in Philippians 1:1.

By John Piper. © Desiring God. Website:desiringGod.org 
Here is another message by John Piper as his church transitioned to Elders.
How much authority should elders have?  Should the congregation still vote on any matters?  Just matters of confirmation?  Church budget?  Interesting questions we'll explore in the future!

Books I'm planning to read soon...

I'm really captivated by the topic of church leadership, particularly the role of elders in the church and congregationalism.  So, here are some books that have been recommended to me that I plan to read this year...




The Titus Mandate by Ted Bigelow



Biblical Eldership by Alexander Strauch




Elder Governance: Insights Into Making the Transition by Daniel Evans & Joseph Godwin with foreword by R. Kent Hughes








I'm most looking forward to the Elder Governance book as it details a real life example of a church that transitioned from board governance to elder governance.  This will be fun!

Abbie team, 1st place in the league!

Abbie's softball team got first place in the league!  She had a great season, we are so proud of her!


We're also proud of Allie & Anna for their great softball seasons as well.

Book Review of Why Small Groups by C.J. Mahaney and my thoughts on small groups

Why Small Groups is a must have for any Pastor, Elder or Deacon.  As churches pursue discipleship they frequently wrestle with the question how to do it effectively.  One on one discipleship is the best way to train and equip fellow saints.  However, a pastor or even group of elders simply cannot meet one on one with every member of a congregation and disciple them to maturity. So, thus enters small groups - done right.  As I've written before small groups have 4 primary functions:  teaching, prayer, accountability and service.  


This book is a great guide to small groups, why we have them and what they should look like.  It dives into the nuts and bolts of leadership of the group, apprentices, conflict resolution, community etc.  It's the best resource I've read in Biblical small groups with practical and useful information and a strong argument that small groups are the primary discipleship tool of a church when those small groups are done correctly.  


The common argument I get against small groups is, "we have Sunday School we don't need small groups."  I'm going to quickly outline the difference between healthy small groups and Sunday School.  I grew up in churches that practiced Sunday school and when we attended a church that had effective small groups a bell went off in my head, "this is what we've been missing in the church, how does every church not have a small group program?"


Seven thoughts about small groups vs. Sunday school...
1. Sunday school tends to primarily be teaching driven and not discipleship driven.  I know churches can vary but I've been to numerous churches as a visitor, attended Sunday School seminars and training sessions and have had enough experience to know that the majority of Sunday school programs are about a teacher talking about the material asking questions and attempting to engage discussion.   While none of this is bad (it's actually a part of small group format) the bad part is that's where it usually ends.  30 minutes of teaching, 15 minutes of fellowship and maybe (if lucky) 10 minutes of prayer.  Effective small groups take this a step further into discipleship teaching.  What's the difference?  Read on...


2. Discipleship teaching does not primarily occur in Sunday School.  Discipleship teaching is knowing the men and women you are teaching and meeting their needs through the curriculum.  For example, have a group that are going through a lot of trails?  Forget the pre-packaged SS material, a small group leader can have the freedom to go through a series that relates to their place in life like When Life Is Hard.  They are teaching and training to the people at their needs vs. to a pre-set agenda.  Some may argue that a good Sunday School teacher picks up on things like that and will adjust the class.  That may be true but often Sunday School classes are 20-50 people.  There is no way the teacher can minister effectively as a small group leader that has 8-14 (recommended size).   


3.  Sunday School teachers do not intimately know their students as well as small group leaders know their members.  A few reasons for this, size of the group, not as much personal interaction time as with small groups, less "living life together" (more on this later) and almost no personal accountability (more on this later as well).  


4. Teaching in Sunday school class tends to be driven by the material in front of the teacher.  I've heard teachers over the years say things like, "well that's a good topic for discussion but we need to get through the lesson so we're moving on."  Seriously?  I understand sometimes rabbit trails can be destructive for the class but if the group is engaged in a theological issue or question, why not explore it further?  


5.  Jesus modeled the small group method.  Avid Sunday School advocates frown when they hear this argument.  How did Jesus disciple?   Yes he taught to large crowds (that's why we have a pastor preaching the message in church), but he picked 12 men to invest in intimately.  They knew him, he knew them.  Jesus allowed these men inside his life, beyond the veil, he lived life with them.  That's a way that people cannot know each other by attending a Sunday school class, I know, I've been there!  Genuine deep discipleship does not happen in a Sunday School format.  It's more about facts and learning than spiritual growth for the attendee. 


A pastor of a church of 300 cannot meet regularly with all 300 members.  However, he can pick out 20 leaders, people who are teachable, humble, love God and seek Him foremost in their lives and can have those 20 lead small groups where they can train, encourage, and minister to the rest of the flock.  It's discipleship that works, growing together.  


6.  There is very little to no accountability in Sunday School.  Sometimes the question will be asked, "who here read their Bible this week" and some will raise their hand.  That's a joke of accountability.  How about this - men and women meeting together, getting to know each other, their strengths and weaknesses, tastes and preferences, likes and dislikes and pushing each other to godliness.  Holding each other accountable to being in God's word.  Holding each other accountable to loving our spouses.  Pushing each other to holiness but not just calling them out, but praying for them and with them.  If you're not familiar with this you might think this makes people uncomfortable.  You're right, sometimes it does.  Just like making a basketball player run laps in a gym is very uncomfortable but it's training and it makes the player stronger.  If we're to grow in our faith let's get beyond superficial appearances and let's dig into our weaknesses and build each other up to righteousness!     


7.  Come back later for the final point and more on small groups...

Review of the book Radical: Taking Back Your Faith from the American Dream by David Platt

This book is titled correctly as it challenges us to radically consider "American version of Christianity" and compare that to the Biblical call which is often much different than our comfortable, man-centered, theology we practice.  Prepare to have your socks knocked off should you choose to read Radical, but I recommend it to all Christians as it calls us to a mindset of missions, evangelism and abandon away from self and complete surrender to the call.


I rate this book 4 out of 5.  It doesn't receive a full 5 because the book is a reflective journey as it ponders thoughts and questions.  Nothing wrong with this style of writing but just not my personal first choice.  At times I thought the book meandered a little but it's purpose, passion and drive are more than enough to overcome this deficiency and I would highly recommend it.
I've heard that Radical Together: Unleashing the people of God for the purpose of God is an excellent read as well.  I'm looking forward to diving into it the next time I need kicked into gear.  :)

Tuesday, June 21, 2011

The mission of the church is missions...


I'm loving the dedication to the core of what a church should be about in this video.  The church is not designed to be inwardly turned, but outwardly to reach, care and love those that need the life-giving gospel.

Here are the 4 pillars of a church, scripturally speaking, that is to say "this is what we're about"...


  1. Proclaiming the authority of God’s Word without apology
    "
    Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." 2 Timothy 4:2

  2. Lifting high the name of Jesus through worship
    "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24

  3. Believing firmly in the power of prayer
    "Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints." Ephesians 6:18

  4. Sharing the good news of Jesus with boldness
    "And also for me, that words may be given to me in opening my mouth boldly to proclaim the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains, that I may declare it boldly, as I ought to speak." Ephesians 6:19-20

God At Work

My Wife


My wife, a constant source of support and love. Her godliness is a treasure. All the money in the world cannot buy character, integrity, honesty, faithfulness and love. My wife embodies all those traits. I am blessed beyond measure by the gift God has granted me in a godly wife. Thank you Hillary, love you with all my heart.
~Jason

G.O.S.P.E.L.

G.O.S.P.E.L. from Humble Beast Records on Vimeo.

Review of book The Trellis and the Vine: The Ministry Mind-Shift That Changes Everything


The book, Trellis and the Vine is an excellent resource for any church seeking to make disciples.  When a church is faced with the question, "how do we disciple and train our people more effectively" I believe this book answers that question.  Discipleship is primarily driven by one on one time.  People investing in other people.  Not a "training class" and not a "latest trendy program" but rather people walking life together and growing in God's word.  This work isn't easy.  It's hard.  It's time consuming and not glamorous but it's rewarding because it's obedience to God's word.  


Marshall & Payne argue (and I believe rightly so) that too much time is spent on the trellis (the church structure, building, programs, classes, etc.) and not on the vine (the people).  The trellis maintenance is with good intention.  A certain amount of trellis work is necessary, however, trellis work should not drive ministry.  Ministry is about the people and building them one by one to be effective disciples of Jesus Christ.  


My only complaint about the book is it brushes off small groups.  It's my personal experience that small groups, done correctly, is the most effective form of discipleship outside of personal one on one, which isn't always as feasible because of the large amount of time needed.  My guess is this small group dismissal is because the authors have not seen small groups done well.  They are not social, gossip, eating sessions.. but some small groups within churches would have you believe that is their primary purpose.  Small groups are teaching, prayer, accountability and service.  Those four elements summarize a small group's core.  Teaching God's word.  Praying for one another and the church.  Holding each other accountable and in that process pushing each other to godliness.  Serving each other in time of need and serving outside through compassion ministry, evangelism and flock care.


I would rate this book a 4.5 out of 5 and would recommend it for anyone seeking to understand discipleship within the context of the church and solid ideas for how it should look.